Whatever They Prove, It Won’t Be Faith

Here they go again.

A group of “Creation Scientists” are back in the news with their goal of proving the literal truth of the Biblical creation story. What they’re trying to do is not “news,” of course. It’s a decades old struggle of a fundamentalist, literalist faith against the truth of science.

From the story:

“…a group of nine Ph.D.s from places like Harvard and Los Alamos National Laboratory say all that molecules-to-man stuff is nonsense. And they’re out to prove it.

The biblical story of Genesis is literally true, they say. God created the heavens, earth and life in six sequential days lasting about 24 hours each.”


I mean, dear God, even Pat Robertson has conceded that the world is older than 6,000 years, and that saying otherwise makes Christians look foolish.

As a theologian, however, the primary point I bring to the conversation is this: Scientists can factually prove a lot of things, but they cannot factually prove faith. The opposite is also true. This is a not-so-insignificant point that both Creation Scientists and Atheistic Scientists gloss right over, all the time.

below-the-beltIn their zeal to prove/disprove the literal account of the Bible, the “scientists”(1) on both sides of this debate miss a fundamental theological point. A God that can be “proven” factually is still not God. By definition, it must still be something less than God.

If the object of one’s worship is the true God of the universe, then anything that can be proved “factually” must, by definition, still not be God. Or, at least, not all of God’s totality. (If God is an “object,” then God is an “idol,” to use the old theological words…)

The same thing is true in the converse. Any God that can be DISproved factually wasn’t God in the first place anyway, but something less than the One True God.

What Fundamentalist Christian Scientists and Fundamentalist Atheist Scientists continue to debate, over and over, are facts. And facts are the realm of science. Their endless and pointless debate is all taking place within the relatively narrow confines of science.

For my part, and to describe not only my own faith, but what I am saying here, I appeal to St. Paul:

“Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”
(Hebrews 11:1)

I also like the Common English Bible translation of this same verse:

“Faith is the reality of what we hope for, the proof of what we don’t see.”

Faith is not faith if it’s just faith in facts. That’s science.

And I’m not denigrating science here at all. I believe science. I just don’t “believe in” science, because science is not faith. But I believe science. I believe that what scientists say about the beginnings of time, about the mysterious work of evolution through time, I believe these things are factually true. And they are beautiful truths.

By the way, in case you think this is some kind of newfangled, liberal way of looking at the compatibility of science and religion, think again. St. Augustine, writing in the 4th Century (read: 1600 years ago), basically said that it’s stupid for Christians to argue with the truths scientists discover, especially when we are not trained science. He saw no conflict at all between the two realms.

But having said that scientific truths are beautiful, I must also quickly point out that they do not approach the realm of faith. Science can no more disprove the existence of God than it can disprove “love,” or “hope,” or “forgiveness.” All of these concepts belong to an entirely different realm. And science can speak about them. But science can neither prove nor disprove them.

Any kind of “love” that science claims to have proven must by definition be less than true love. Any kind of God that science dis-proves must be less than God. Because faith is, by definition, a hope, a trust, a love of things not seen…things inherently not provable (factual).

You see, this is the beef I have with the new TV show, “The Leftovers.” (Yes, I just yanked the steering wheel hard. Bear with me…) I love the show for the most part. But I think they’ve got the narrative about Christianity all wrong. The show assumes some future world in which there’s been a “rapture-like” event. Only it wasn’t a “Christian” rapture, or a “Biblical” one.

The show’s narrative assumes that because the facts of this fictional rapture-event seem to disprove the Bible’s account, that attendance at organized Christian churches would plummet. But I this fundamentally misunderstands what would actually happen. Far from seeing such an event as disproving their faith, Christians would flock back to their churches, whether or not their faith would be able to rationally or logically explain what had happened in the world. Why? Because faith is always beyond the rational plane of existence. (Thus endeth the critique of “The Leftovers”)

Let me say it quite plainly for you here. There is no conceivable archeological, or scientific, discovery that could disprove my faith in God, or my belief in the Bible as “true.” (But not literal).

Because I never have taken the Bible literally, the Bible cannot be taken from me. It’s not in conflict with science. It never has been. It never will be. The stories inside of it contain “truth” regardless of the literal facts of science.

My faith is faith in God. Faith in faith itself. Faith in things I cannot see. Faith in things I cannot, nor can anyone, “prove.” Anything less than this is not faith.

By the way, I happen to also believe that this is why so many folks “lose” their faith. Because the thing they were putting their faith in in the first place was something that could be taken from them. Anything faith that can be taken away is not faith in God, but faith in someone, or some-thing, else.

Look at this from the perspective of poetry. Whatever science proves about “love” in the future, it will still be poetically true that “love is a red, red rose.”

Is love LITERALLY a “red, red rose?”

No. Of course not. That’s preposterous.

But that’s because literal, factual truth, and poetic truth are two different kinds of truth. Both are true. They’re just differently true. Analogizing this into theology, a God that can be prove OR disproven, factually, is not truly the One True God in the first place.

So, to come back to where we began….

Fundamentalist Christians Scientists, like the folks in this story, will continue their endless and boring debate with Fundamentalist Atheist Scientists.

But, whatever they prove, it won’t be faith.


Endnote (1) I put “scientists” in quotes here, because a whole lot of scientists recoil at calling Christian Fundamentalist Scientists “scientists.” Because they start and end with the Bible, most other scientists claim that these folks have violated the tenets of the scientific method and don’t deserve to have the name. Be that as it may, these particular human beings are at the very least trained as scientists…some of them at the prestigious universities across the land.

The “Fundamentalist Atheist Scientists” I am referring to are those who, wrongly, see their struggle as against religion itself, rather than for the beauty of scientific discovery. And, I also contend, some of them “believe in” science, rather than “believe” science. They raise science to the level of the theological, thus over-stating what science can actually do.

Both these types of “scientists” are fundamentally confused about the role of both science and religion.

There is also third, and entirely different group of scientists (and theologians) who see no conflict between the realms of science and the realms of religion. They understand the metaphorical truths that religion is seeking to speak to…truth, love, hope, faith…and that these things do not, necessarily, conflict with their scientific discovery.

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Eric Folkerth is a minister, musician, author and blogger. He is Senior Pastor of Kessler Park UMC United Methodist Church in Dallas, Texas. Previously, he was pastor at Northaven UMC in Dallas for seventeen years. Eric loves to write on topics of spirituality, social justice, music/art and politics. The entries on this blog reflect that diversity of interests. His passion for social justice goes beyond mere words. He’s been arrested at the White House, defending immigrants and “The Dreamers,” and he’s officiated at same sex weddings in his churches, in defiance of what some believe is Methodist teaching. Eric is an avid blogger and published author, and 2017 recipient of the prestigeous Kuchling Humanitarian Award from Dallas’ Black Tie Dinner. (Human Rights Campaign) Eric has led or co-led hundreds of persons on mission trips around the globe, to places such as Mexico, Haiti, Russia, and Nepal. He has worked with lay persons to build ten homes, and one Community Center, in partnership with Habitat for Humanity of Dallas. He’s a popular preacher, and often tackles challenging issues of social justice in his writings and sermons. His wife, Judge Dennise Garcia, is a State District Judge for Dallas, County. As judge of the 303rd Family District Court, she consistently gets high ratings from area lawyers, and was named “best judge” by The Dallas Observer. First elected in 2004, she was the first Latina ever elected to a county-wide bench in Dallas County, and is currently the longest service district judge in that district. She was re-elected for a fourth term in 2018. They have the world’s best daughter, Maria, and an incredible dog, Daisy. Find links to Eric’s music-related websites, at the top of this site’s navigation menu.

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